Torah-Observant Gentiles — Part Two

For those of you who read the previous post on this blog and wondered if the person in question ever responded to my email, here is the follow-up conversation.

But, before we do that, I have to make something very clear.  I have no problem with Israelites/Jews who choose to follow some portion of their historic tradition in order to demonstrate their love for God.  Paul did not, either.  But, his most vitriolic language was reserved for those Jews who attempted to convince Gentiles in Galatia that they ought to keep the sign of the Old Covenant — circumcision.  If those Gentiles (specifically) did that, they were not only “fallen from grace” but they had been “severed from Christ.”

So, what I’m after here is for Gentiles to recognize that they simply cannot be justified by the Law.  It did not justify Israel, and it cannot justify those who were never under that covenant to begin with.

With that introduction, here’s our conversation (their comments are interspersed with my comments).


Hello again,

Since you started this conversation with the accusation that I simply did not understand Torah observance, I’ll take one more shot at this.  The things you have written are plainly and clearly wrong — not because I say so, but because you are taking Bible verses from their context and using them incorrectly to achieve your desired result.  Like you, I’m not trying to be provocative.  But, the New Testament writers withstood this sort of thinking quite adamantly.

For instance, you wrote:

Num. 15:13-16 says: "...For the generations to come, whenever an ALIEN OR ANYONE ELSE living among you presents an offering made by fire as an aroma pleasing to the LORD, he must DO EXACTLY AS YOU DO. The community is to have the SAME RULES for you AND FOR THE ALIEN living among you; this is a LASTING ORDINANCE for the generation's to come. You and the alien shall be the SAME before the LORD: The SAME LAWS AND REGULATIONS will apply to both you AND the alien living among you."

Did you even read this passage?  It says that when someone (a Gentile) enters national Israel and is sacrificing “an offering made by fire,” they will make it according to the rules set out in the earlier portion of the chapter.  Are you saying that’s what you’ve done?  Have you joined national Israel?  Are you making sacrifices with fire?  Are you living within their borders (such as they are) and residing there as an alien?

Obviously not.

So, this passage relates to neither you or me and it certainly has nothing to do with this discussion.

This idea of there being no difference between Israel and the foreign believer is reiterated in other passages: 


This whole passage reads —  “For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call upon Him;  for ‘WHOEVER WILL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.’”  (Romans 10:12-13 NASB, caps in original)

The passage is talking about salvation, not Torah observance.  Salvation is not only available to Jews but also to Gentiles.  Nowhere in this passage does it say that Gentiles who have come to Christ are now required to live like Torah-keeping Jews.  In fact, the entire book of Galatians deals with that very subject and Paul said that people who promote that theology are “anathema.”  (Gal 1:8-9)

God's commands (Torah), have been (in) existence since the very beginning, before there even were "JEWS," who only came into existence after Jacob begat Judah. Prior to Israel becoming a nation, those who believed in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were called Hebrews, which simply means "crossed over." Torah is not just for "the Jews" but for anyone who has crossed over to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Abraham was a pagan Chaldean after all.

Semantics.  The law covenant was with all the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, standing at the foot of Mt. Sinai after being delivered out of Egypt.  It is not — nowhere, not ever, not even once — prescribed for Gentiles, nor was it ever spoken of as covenant between God and them.

Also, Torah has NOT been in “existence since the very beginning.”  The Bible says just the opposite.

Romans 5:12-14 — Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.”

Death reigned from Adam until Moses, even when there was no law.  Got that?  No law until Moses.  And just as it had a beginning, it had an end.

Eccl. 12: 13-14 -- "Here is the final conclusion, now that you have heard everything: fear God, and keep His mitzvot (commandments), this is what being human is all about. For God will bring to judgment everything we do, every secret, whether good or bad."

Solomon was king of Israel.  He was talking about Israel.  He was writing to Israel. They (Israel) were under a covenant to keep the law.  None of those words apply to the church, who has been redeemed, blood-bought, and “perfected forever” (Heb. 10:14) by the finished work of Christ.  He became a curse for us.  He died for us.  He justified us.  No Christian is required to keep the Law.

You’re mixing and matching covenants.

Oh! No wait...none of this part of God's Word matters anymore though, right? Jesus nailed it to the cross and abolished it all. Come on!

At this point, you’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing with the Bible.

First off, He didn’t “abolish” it.  I never said that.  He fulfilled it. And yes, Paul says that He nailed it to His tree.  That’s not me, that’s Paul.

By the way, “Come on!” is not an argument.  It’s an expression of exasperation.

I am sorry if you have become exasperated by discussing these things.

Do you love God with all you heart, mind, and soul? If so, what do you DO to show that you do? We are called to be set apart and holy, right? Tell me, Jim, are you living a holy, set apart life? How do you know if you are or not? You indicate that the "OT" is basically just for the Jews, so, does it not follow then that only Jews are supposed to live holy lives? Will you please provide me with Scriptural proof that shows this is so? Do you know what the law is and what being under the law means?

That’s Paul’s whole point.  The law did NOT result in the Jews living holy lives.  It resulted in them being judged.  So, he concluded that the reason for the law was to make sin more obvious (Rom. 7, Gal. 3:21).

Or, more clearly — “Why then was the Law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. (Gal. 3:19)

Also, the purpose of the law is to lead us to Christ, like a good tutor.  But, now that it has led us to Christ, it has completed its purpose and we who are in Christ are no longer bound to it.

Gal. 3:24-26 — “Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.  But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.  For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.”

I just don’t know how much clearer the Bible has to make it.

But, here’s the scary part.  By keeping the law, you are begging God to judge you by that law.  And, by your own admission, you haven’t kept it perfectly and perpetually.  So, Paul says —

Gal. 3:10-11 — For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM.”  Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.” 

Of course I love God.  And I show it by trusting His Son, just as His Son requires.  Once, the Pharisees (who are real sticklers for keeping Law) asked Jesus what works they could do to improve their standing with God (sort of like you’re doing).  They wanted a command, an action, a rule.  He answered, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” (John 6:29) 

That’s what I’m doing.  Exactly what God said to do: believe in Christ.

(I'm sorry for all the questions but I am trying to understand how you can possibly conclude that Torah is no longer relevant and not meant for all who worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, so please, humor me.)

Consider yourself “humored”.  🙂

The reason is plain and simple.  Your tradition won’t allow you to see it, but I am staying perfectly consistent with what the Bible says about how New Covenant Gentiles are saved and justified.  Not by the works of law, but by faith in Christ.  And I really do hope, by God’s good grace, that the scales will fall from you eyes and you will read the Bible for what it is actually saying.

As for the seventh day Sabbath, what Biblical evidence can you provide that shows it was changed to a Sunday?

Changed to Sunday?  It wasn’t.  Sunday is the day of the week when Christ arose.  So the early Christians, no longer Sabbath-keepers, began meeting on Sunday (Acts 20:7).  That’s just history.

But, I have never argued that the Sabbath was moved to Sunday.  That’s impossible because the word “shabbath” means “seventh.”  There is no way to make the first day of the week into the seventh day.  It’s a mathematic impossibility.

But, here’s what’s really important.  Keeping the Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant (Exod. 31:13).  When that Covenant was replaced by Christ’s blood of the New Covenant (Luke 22:20), the sign of that previous covenant was equally done away with.  That’s why Paul could argue against Gentiles keeping the Sabbath.  They were never part of that covenant.

Again, what Scriptures can you offer that prove that Sabbath keeping and the keeping of the Feasts (God's appointed times), do not apply to all believers?


Colossians 2:13-17 — When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”

Sabbaths, new moons, feasts — they’re all just casting shadows that were fulfilled in Christ’s appearance on the planet.  He is the substance.  I prefer Him to the Sabbaths and feasts ,,, you know, like the Bible says.

What Scriptures can you show me that say that God's Divine Instructions in Righteousness (Torah) were EVER negated?

There are no Scriptures that say that God’s Law was negated.  That’s your word, not mine.  But, there are multiple verse that say it was fulfilled.

Matthew 5:17 — “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.”

Hebrews 8:13 — When He (God) said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

I'm sorry, Jim, I'm not trying to be provocative. I just cannot fathom how you can conclude that Yeshua abolished the Law and yet still quote Him saying He hadn't come to do that! 

You’re not being provocative.  You’re just not understanding the genuine freedom we have in Christ.  When Christ told law-keeping Pharisees “whom the Son sets free is free indeed,” that meant something.  Paul repeatedly refers to the law as bondage, a yoke, and something that was against us.  No one from Israel was ever justified by the law.  And yet, people have imposed it on you as though it’s going to do you some good.  It didn’t help Israel, it has never helped anyone; why would it help you?

The law was added to make sin all the more sinful.  It cannot bend to help you.  It can only condemn you.  It can only curse you.

And that’s not what I want for you.

Perhaps there really is no point in continuing our discussion. It is clear from the tone of your second email that you think I am in error and obviously I think you are. I suppose we're at the proverbial dead end!

It doesn’t matter who thinks who is in error. It only matters what the Bible says.  That’s our final authority.  And so far you are not representing it correctly.  But, I want you to, because there is great freedom, grace, and joy in Christ’s finished work.  If He has finished it, then there’s nothing you can add to it.  He gets all the glory.  And that’s how it should be.

And, in case you think that I am utterly antinomian, I agree with Paul that, while we are not under the law of Moses, we under the law of Christ (Gal 6:2) — which is different.  We follow HIS commands.  But, we do not follow the Sinai Law.  Rather than use commands written in stone to govern my behavior, I am trusting that the power of God through His Holy Spirit can achieve what the law could not do.  He has changed me.  He has enlightened and converted me.  He is sufficient for all those who walk in the Spirit of God.

By the way, many years ago I taught a series on this topic — Law Versus Grace.  If you care to listen, it’s here:

And if this is the end of our discussion, then I hope that God has mercy on you and yours.

In Him,

Jim Mc.


Texas Conference is coming up!

Message: Hi Jim,

I wanted to find out if you all are planning on holding a Sovereign Grace Conference in the Dallas area this Summer?

Blessings Jim!

Hi J–,

Yes, Elder Gregg Wren will be hosting a conference in Mesquite again this year.  A good line-up of preachers and teacher will be attending.  The dates are June 26 to July 1.

I, however, will not be in attendance because of recent health issues.

Here’s a website where you can find contact info:

Grace and peace,

Jim Mc.


Computers, Computers, Computers

Back before “the event” (I don’t call it a stroke because it makes me sound old), I had decided it was time for a new computer.  My Mac Pro, which I dearly loved, was an early 2008 edition.  It had become a bit of a Frankenstein’s monster, with lots of upgraded and borrowed parts to keep it going.  But, alas, it was forgetting things and hitting the wall where its upgrades were concerned. So, it’s time for a new computer.

Then “the event happened” and all bets were off.

Well, I’ve pretty much recovered and the problems wth the old machine haven’t gone away.  So, with GCA’s help, I made the plunge.

I can’t afford the new Mac Pros.  So I settled on an I-Mac with lots RAM (32 GB 1867 MHz DDR3), the fastest processor available (4 GHz Intel Core i7), and a good video card (AMD Radeon R9 M395X 4096 M).  It arrived last Monday.

Since then, I’ve been busy transferring files, updating apps, rebuilding external drives (the old Mac Pro contained 3 of them), and generally attempting to get everything to playing nicely.

But, I also had a great monitor on the old set-up.  So, I’ve Thunderbolt-ed it to the new rig and now I have dual monitors.  Pretty sweet.

Anyway, that’s how I’ve spend my free time the last few days … buried in computers.

command central


Thoughts about the stroke

I have thought long and hard about whether I’d write about this or put it to video.  Video would probably be easier, but I need the practice typing.  Typing is a chore these days.  But, my right hand is making great strides and I want to keep challenging it.

Here’s the thing — because I had a stroke (six weeks ago now), I have been reading and attempting to educate myself.  What I’ve noticed is that most of the material written about strokes is presented from the perspective of people viewing the stroke victim.  Very little is written from the stroke victim’s perspective.  And I think I know why.

Strokes are amazingly deceptive.  The victim may not know what is wrong with them.  I kept insisting that I was fine.  Just need to sleep it off, etc.  But, I could not see me.  It took my daughter recognizing the signs (slurred speech, failing limbs, unnatural tiredness) and seeing that something was wrong, to make the call and get me to a hospital.

I think about my mother.  Granted, her strokes weren’t caused by blood pressure issues.  Hers were heart-related.  But even after losing her left side to paralysis and laying slumped over on a couch all day, she still argued with the paramedics that she did not want to be taken to the hospital (where she wound up in the ICU for several days).

And I get it.  I argued with everyone — doctors, nurses, my daughter, anyone who would listen — that I was fine and did not have a stroke.  It’s deceptive. It takes someone to intervene.

The tiredness was what most marked my early symptoms.  Yes, my right hand suddenly began typing nonsense.  It was tingling and eventually non-responsive.  But all I could think about was laying down.  It was sudden, like something broke.  I was very, very tired.  Unnaturally.

But, I thought I was going to be fine.  Just sleep.

Fortunately, my daughter intervened. She called 911.  The ambulance came.  And they hauled me off.

So, why do I tell you this?  In the hope that you’ll learn from my mistakes. I hope that I have.  But, it’s important that those who know you well recognize when something goes wrong. Time is of the essence.

I’m very fortunate.  Many things could have gone horribly wrong.  But, they didn’t.  Everyday I get something back.  My occupational therapist said good-bye for the last time yesterday.  My nurse and physical therapist said it would only be another week or so before they would discharge me.

And I’m fine.  I mean it.  I’m better.

I’m realizing that other people don’t see it like I do.  I recognize my own deficiencies. I process differently. It’s slower. How I search for words is different.  And I think people notice it.  But, my physical therapist said yesterday that, unless he was looking at a medical report, he wouldn’t believe I had a stroke just six weeks ago.

But, I know it.  I can feel it.  I am aware of it.  And I don’t want to do it again.

God is good.  Not because He has lifted me up, but because He is.  I am grateful for every little thing.  Balance, walking, talking, my right hand doing stuff … everything.  Fearfully and wonderfully made, said David.  And I believe him.

Bit by bit, I’m learning to accept my new process.  And it will get quicker with time.  Keep working.  Keep exercising.  Keep believing.

But, most of all, I’m just grateful.


Roger Skepple – The Church of Laodicea

At last week’s Embracing the Truth Conference, I shared the lecturing duties with my friend, Roger Skepple.  Elder Skepple is the pastor of Berean Bible Baptist Church in Atlanta, GA.  He is also one of my favorite exegetes and Bible teachers.  For that reason, I thought I’d post his lectures here on my blog so you could hear them while the rest of the messages are being posted on the Sovereign Grace Bible Conference website.

His assigned topic was: The Church of Laodicea.  It’s well worth the time to listen.

Roger Skepple – The Church of Laodicea – Part 1

Roger Skepple – The Church of Laodicea – Part 2

Roger Skepple – The Church of Laodicea – Part 3


Embracing the Truth Conference 2016

Conference season is starting early this year.  In fact, the first Sovereign Grace Bible Conference of 2016 is convening next week.  If you’re in the area, make sure and stop in!  You’ll be blessed by the fellowship, preaching, teaching, and food.  Did I mention the food?

Thanks to Elders Kennedy and Pickett from New Christian Life Church in Lebanon, TN. and Elder Spickard and his team at Hamilton Chapel Church in Gladeville for their faithfulness and leadership in this annual event.

Here is a pdf of the poster announcing the conference: ETT Conference

And here is the schedule: ETT Schedule



A quick apology

Hi there.

The last few months my “blog maintenance” has been a tad sketchy — owing to my frequent trips to Tuscaloosa to care for my mom, which often left me scrambling to keep up with my other duties when I was home.  Along the way, several folk have written comments to various articles and posts.  I really enjoy the feedback!  But, I have to actively “approve” comments in order for them to show up on the blog.  And they stacked up, unapproved, until today.

I usually get an email when a new comment arrives.  Since updating the blog to the latest version of WordPress software, those emails haven’t shown up.  I’m going to try and fix that.

But, just know that I appreciate the comments and feedback.  It’s very encouraging and always good to know that people are reading and taking advantage of the notes and downloads available here.

So, keep those comments coming … and please accept my apology for letting some of them languish.